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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Thank you so much for ruining my day
    YMLADRIS
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    TADEAS: rozumim.

    nevim zda ma vyznam rozvijet jak kolem toho uvazuju, ale tak v ramci uprimnosti (a zase reknes ze nejsem ekolog, ale tak co uz)

    1. pro me nejvetsi issue je ta potencialne rychla ztrata stability. jsou nejruznejsi biomy, kde je zivot vyladeny na urcity jevy, je rezilientni vuci tomu, co se tam deje. priklad stredni evropa. pokud kazdorocne zacnou padat kazdy mesic silne kroupy, nejde provozovat "nase" zemedelstvi, ani agrolesnictvi, ani nic. pokud chceme obili, zeleninu, ovoce = nerozbitne skleniky. cimz se to dostava k te post-apo inzenyrske variante, alternative. jinej priklad, indie, az/pokud se jim rozbije monzun, nebudou mit cas ladit nejakej novej bohatej otevrenej ekosystem zalozenej na jinem principu. budou bojovat o zivot.

    predstavuju si, ze pokud pujde komplexita lidske spolecnosti prudce dolu, snizi se i energeticky vydej lidstva, tim se prirozene zpomali zmena klimatu. takze neni duvod proc by se to behem par stovek let nemelo stabilizovat v novych pozicich, kde uz zase bude davat sledovat co je kde "aktualne prirozeny" ekosystem a managovat ho, tak jak o tom mluvivas ty. mezitim ale budou velke šoky, a kapsy bohatych lidi s technologiema (citadely) se to budou snazit preklenout tim inzenyrskym pristupem (staveni vyzivoveho systemu od nuly, s durazem na to, aby to nemohly rozbit tornada kobylky najezdy lidi atd atd).

    2. urcite dava velky smysl dnes maximalne studovat a podporovat ty dnes prirozene ekosystemy, ucit se to, co razis ty. neni ale zadna zaruka, ze "to bude stacit". beru to tak, ze zmeny muzou byt velky. ted neuvazuju varianty typu roztati permafrostu, ... ale predstavuju si, ze ta stabilita ekosystemu (ctyri rocni obdobi, navaznost rostlin a zvirat, ...) je hodne vyladena. nevim, neco ve smyslu ze nekde bude celej kveten mraz a zmrznou vsechny vcely... pak bude dva mesice v kuse prset, na to prijdou divni zmutovani komari, kteri daji kravam divnou horecku a ony pojdou. tornada rozbijou normalni skleniky. toto jsou moje vymysly, protoze nerozumim detailum, ma to byt ilustrace, co se muze stat kvuli "extremnimu pocasi"

    3. proc lidi typu Musk optimalizuji presun molekul od nuly, misto aby navazovali na existujici ekosystem. to nevim. bud z duvodu vyse (pocasi bude tak divne, ze neni na cem stavet). nebo naopak nema dojem, ze stabilita ekosystemu je velka hrozba. Tady by bylo fajn kdyby Lex Fridman udelal debatu treba Kevin Anderson versus Musk, ze by pokecali, brainstormovali. Po pravde ale ani nevim, jak to Anderson vidi s ekosystemem a kdo je vubec tak velky jmeno, aby ho lidi brali seriozne. Myslim si, ze Musk je presvedcenej ze dekarbonizace probehne. Stephenson je presvedcenej, ze neni jina cesta nez odcerpat uhlik z atmosfery (nepopira ze mezi tim probehne znacny pruser). Mineno, neslysim tak casto ten doomismus, co mame tu.

    Mozna je tvuj clovek spis ENTJ Gates, kterej si vybira mise v realnem ekosystemu/svete (jak presvedcit vlady africkejch statu aby dovolili lidi naockovat proti obrne, jak presvedcit inevestory aby dali triliony do new tech). Jeho povaha je pusobit na lidi. Ten Musk, INTJ, to je proste jako kdyz ty optimalizujes presun molekul v hardcore dome. Jdou vam navrhy systemu, ale donutit lidi aby zregulovali AI, nebo obecne donutit lidi aby neco nejak delali - na to jste moc introvertni. Donutit lidi aby managovali ekosystem, to je asi neuskutecnitelny i pro Gatese.

    4. odbocka. Videli jsme se synem nedavno video o takovych tech lodich, ktere sbiraji bordel z rek, aby to neteklo do oceanu. Drtiva vetsina bordelu v oceanech je podle toho videa z jednoho procenta svetovych rek. Mark Rober tam sel nahoru proti proudu te reky a ukazoval, jak tam lidi ziji. Zbohatli a poprve v historii generuji odpad. Ale neni zadnej zpusob, jak by ty komunity meli popelare. Nemaji zadny jiny misto kam to sypat, jen do reky. Je to uplny psycho. A ani takhle jednoduchou vec nedokazeme vyresit. Natozpak "managovat ekosystem"

    5. analogie. Je to jak s valkami nebo obecne s nasilim. Uz mame framework, co udelat lepsiho. Lidskym potrebam se uz docela dobre rozumi. Komunity by mohly byt postaveny na tom holistic managementu, porad by se checkovalo kdo ma jaky potreby a dbalo by se na to, aby lidi meli ty potreby naplneny, od vyzivy po smysl po spiritualitu. Nemusime se zabijet. Ale proste hned tak to nebude. Mezitim nez se tam dojde, kazdej rozumnej clovek vyuziva ty inzenyrsky reseni (zbrane, obrana, ...), i kdyz je nam zaroven lito, ze nejsme schopni nasledovat prirozenej ekosystem lidskych dusi a nenasilne ho managovat.

    A tak obdobne jsem rada, ze nekdo resi vyzivu pro milion lidi na Marsu, protoze je klidne mozny ze poznatky z toho se fakt budou sakra hodit i tady na Zemi, nekde v podzemi

    TADEAS
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    TADEAS: aneb methane/carbon tunnel vision, resp. "food production" tunnel

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    TADEAS
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    go veg, ale pak taky don't forget to kill wild ruminants

    In some areas, the removal of land from use in animal agriculture may lead to an increase in wild ruminant population. Although this is difficult to model globally, this would offset some of the beneficial impacts of reductions in methane emissions from livestock

    Rapid global phaseout of animal agriculture has the potential to stabilize greenhouse gas levels for 30 years and offset 68 percent of CO2 emissions this century
    https://journals.plos.org/climate/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pclm.0000010#pclm.0000010.ref001

    :]
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    Greenpeace activists from Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland and Russia have blocked a transshipment of Russian oil at sea in northern Denmark, Thursday 31st March 2022.

    Greenpeace calls on Europe to reject and ban any import of fossil fuels from Russia and to rapidly phase out all fossil fuels to fight the climate crisis and protect humanity. Read more on https://act.gp/3IOI056
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    TADEAS:

    Just Stop Oil protests: Terminal operations suspended and arrests made - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-60951403
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    YMLADRIS: :)

    me na tom prijde smutny to, ze ten proces civilizace jak ho odehravame ma v sobe nekde zakodovany to 'pole', aka 'poust' ... ze z nejakyho duvodu, ackoliv jiny cesty tu jsou, chceme mit nejdriv cistej prostor, pole, poust... a na tom si teprve dokazeme [jako ta civilizace] predstavit tu generativitu... v principu se ten planetarni management potazmo ekosystemovej management lisit nebude. proc je pro nejakou skupinu lidi atraktivni to myslet ve vztahu k jiny, poustni planete, zatimco proces umoznujici potencialne osidlovani jinych planet je zasadne destruktivni pro tuto planetu, to je zasadni otazka. je to v tom nejaka ta perverze toho impulzu k civilizacnimu reverse-engineeringu, tj. te logistifikaci, kontrole. do jaky miry je 'kontrola' (jako nejakej sveraznej pristup k managementu) mozna u zivejch systemu, ktery se na jinou planetu budeme snazit exportovat, to je taky otazka.

    regulovat rybnik, regulovat akvaponickej system - jsou v tom velky provlemy. ty prvni pokusy s temahle uzavrenejma domovejma ekosystemama se ukazaly jako nefunkcni.

    samozrejme, nejaka cesta bude... v urcitym smyslu mi ale prijde lito, ze jsme tak chudy duchem, ze by to melo bejt inspirativni pro fungovani v bohatejch otevrenejch ekosystemech zeme.
    YMLADRIS
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    TADEAS: post-apo citadely na zemi budou ještě rádi že můžou využít výsledky tohoto pokusu
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    Ze zivota emigranta: vlak do CR z vychodniho Slovenska trva 9 hodin, takze beru luzko jelikoz jezdim s dcerou. Vyjde nas to na 1800, kdyz vybiram hodne dopredu.
    Ryanair z Kosic leti hodinu, cena zacina na 250, ale tak kdyz si chci vybrat terminy, ktery potrebuju, tak cena vyjde cca na polovic toho, co vlak.
    TADEAS
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    TADEAS:

    Elon Musk gave the design firm Commensalist, led by author Louis De Jaeger, the job of designing the best possible food forest design for the challenging conditions on planet Mars. The Commensalist team travelled around the world to find the highest food-producing trees that can survive in extreme heat and cold. Trees that not only produce food, but also filter particulate matter, purify water, create oxygen, and provides shade.


    The designs are finished, computer models have shown that project “Mars Food Forest” will be able to support the lives of one million people on the red planet. In the California desert, Elon Musk is now reconverting an old underground military base into a 10-acre test plot that will recreate the exact conditions on Mars. The Commensalist team will grow the three winning foodforest designs to see which one is the best and what problems can be prevented. This trial will take 15 years to complete, and the results will be right on time when the first big domes will be installed on mars in the year 2038
    TADEAS
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    marsify earth to earthify mars

    Mars Food Forest | How to feed 1M people on the red planet
    https://marsfoodforest.com/

    One year ago Elon Musk stepped into our office and asked:

    "How are we going to feed 1 million people on Mars by 2050?"

    What followed was an intense brainstorm with this amazing visionary.

    We cannot bring soil to Mars, so we have to create it on Mars.

    After uncountable computer simulations and pooling together the expertise from the Commensalist team, we concluded that food forests are the only feasible way to feed a population on a barren planet

    After one year of hard work, under a veil of secrecy, we are proud to present: Mars Food Forest.
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    Screenshot-20220401-122528-Facebook
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    Gabe Brown a zemědělství budoucnosti
    https://youtu.be/4MreXqr2AZc
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    Transforming landscapes and mindscapes through regenerative agriculture | SpringerLink
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10460-021-10276-0

    agricultural transformation is essential for creating more sustainable food systems. This paper focuses on discursive change. A prominent discursive alternative to industrial–productivist agriculture is regenerative agriculture. Regenerative discourses are emergent, radically evolving and diverse. It is unclear whether they have the potential to generate the changes required to shift industrial–productivist agriculture. This paper presents a literature-based discourse analysis to illustrate key thematic characteristics of regenerative agricultural discourses. The analysis finds that such discourses: situate agricultural work within nested, complex living systems; position farms as relational, characterised by co-evolution between humans and other landscape biota; perceive the innate potential of living systems as place-sourced; maintain a transformative openness to alternative thinking and practice; believe that multiple regenerative cultures are necessary for deeply regenerative agriculture; and depart from industrialism to varying degrees. The paper concludes by reviewing three transformative opportunities for regenerative discourses—discourse coalitions, translocal organising and collective learning
    TADEAS
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    SEJDA: je to v kontextu regenerativniho zemedelstvi - ze je mozne se zamerit na ten aspekt uhlikoveho cyklu a vnimat to predevsim timhle zpusobem, coz z nejakekch klima kruhu casto slysim, a to ne ani ve vazbe na regenerativni zemedelstvi, ale proste na zemedelstvi obecne. pricemz "zemedelstvi" je zase jen jinak zuzenej pohled na to, co je ve skutecnosti "management ekosystemu" ,)
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    Půdcast #2 - Wenzel Lobkowicz, regenerativní pastva
    https://youtu.be/0KlU1pw2v24
    SEJDA
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    TUHO: myslim, ze je to mysleno, jak spolecnosti tezici fosilni paliva vnimaji problemy lidstva.
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    DZODZO: dik, to jsem prehlednul, takze je to vlastne 13 rozmerny tunel.
    SHEFIK
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    #transition #awesome ...jde teda jen o elektrinu

    Čisté energii se daří. V loňském roce pokryla rekordních 38 % světové poptávky a překonala uhlí – VTM.cz
    https://vtm.zive.cz/clanky/ciste-energii-se-dari-v-lonskem-roce-pokryla-rekordnich-38--svetove-poptavky-a-prekonala-uhli/sc-870-a-215758/default.aspx

    (Pozor ceskej clanek zamenil nabidku za poptavku)

    Global Electricity Review 2022 | Ember
    https://ember-climate.org/insights/research/global-electricity-review-2022/

    Wind and solar, the fastest growing sources of electricity, reach a record ten percent of global electricity in 2021; all clean power is now 38% of supply. But demand growth rebounded, leading to a record rise in coal power and emissions.
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    TUHO: prislo mi to jako hezka ilustrace :)
    DZODZO
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    SEJDA: to tam nie je pod tym Overconsumption?
    Kliknutím sem můžete změnit nastavení reklam